Disappointed officials at Edinburgh Zoo recently revealed the female giant panda Tian Tian, who was thought to be pregnant, apparently suffered a miscarriage.
The panda, also known as Sweetie, was successfully inseminated in April but suffered a miscarriage near the end of her pregnancy.
Now, the debate over whether or not pandas are just too lacking in basic survival instincts to avoid extinction has been sparked again.
It's arguable pandas don't seem to want to survive. In the wild, they're prone to inbreeding. In captivity, zoos are forced to use Viagra and animal-porn to encourage them to mate, or resort to artificial insemination.
But who are we to judge the fuzzy two-tone bears?
We looked at what people have said about the pros and cons of panda survival: