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'The victims will never ever be forgotten, but we've got to move forward with love and not hate, and that's how we win.'
A lot of people thought he'd said 'pagan'.
It all makes sense now.
He also says his brother 'stitched him up' over the break-up of Oasis.
'If you let your demons haunt you, they will haunt you forever.'
It's impossible to take slowly.
'The shockwaves of grief and denial are still sweeping through our family as we come to grips with what has happened.'